H.a.F. Testers and QB's - crop rotation

H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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Here is my $.02. I think you would learn a lot with this approach. I'm not saying you are doing bad, plants look good, but you are all over the place man. There is no way in hell you will be able to decipher what is doing what.
I'd go coco, and use a base nute for veg and one for bloom. Sit back and wait for a deficiency to pop up. And start learning from square one.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm sticking with soil just because it is more forgiving. As far as being "all over the place", I reduced a set feeding schedule to 25% of the original - not really a breakthrough idea or anything. All based on recommendations from on here. So I don't see where the reference applies.
Reading up on your products I am not familiar with... Can you take a picture of the back of "Boomerang Comeback"
The kelp and fish stuff is pretty self explanatory, here's the back of the other three and what they are marketed as. All seem to address specific micro-nutes (need or not, who knows) microbes and amoebas and shit. These were all part of a "12-pack" of junk, I am using them because they are the "extra recommended" stuff on the feeding schedule - I am sure it is a marketing thing and haven't bought a second bottle of anything except the BigBloom.
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H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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@J. James I have already nixed the "bembe" sweetener that was listed as "microbe food" in favor of the "Sweet" product from botanicare. Black strap molasses would probably work just as well as the bembe product, or whatever else is supposed to feed microbes.
 

H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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@Doc - I got the Fruit & Flower recommendation from your video. I liked it and went with the 5-part set.
 
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H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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@J. James here's the original schedule I simplified/adjusted.
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J. James

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Well, After some needed reading about your products this is what I would recommend

Your dry top feed products contain all the Myco's and Bacteria that your 3 bottle products contain so I think you could just drop them completely as soon as you top-dress. Use the bottle products to root drench or inoculate your plants in early veg.

What you need to focus on is what each product is derived from - you will find a "Broken Record Theme" that goes about like this.

Derived From - Earthworm Castings, Bat Guano, Fish Bone Meal, Crab Meal, Fish Meal, Kelp Meal, Soybean Meal, Seabird Guano, Feather Meal, Langbeinite, Kieserite, Phosphate Rock, Sulfate of Potash, Dolomite.

Nonplant food ingredients - Beneficial Bacteria and Beneficial Fungi.

So let us start with a simple product like "Kelp me Kelp you"
Derived From - Kelp

How many other products on your feed schedule have Derived From - Kelp on the label?
 

H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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Well, After some needed reading about your products this is what I would recommend

Your dry top feed products contain all the Myco's and Bacteria that your 3 bottle products contain so I think you could just drop them completely as soon as you top-dress. Use the bottle products to root drench or inoculate your plants in early veg.

What you need to focus on is what each product is derived from - you will find a "Broken Record Theme" that goes about like this.

Derived From - Earthworm Castings, Bat Guano, Fish Bone Meal, Crab Meal, Fish Meal, Kelp Meal, Soybean Meal, Seabird Guano, Feather Meal, Langbeinite, Kieserite, Phosphate Rock, Sulfate of Potash, Dolomite.

Nonplant food ingredients - Beneficial Bacteria and Beneficial Fungi.

So let us start with a simple product like "Kelp me Kelp you"
Derived From - Kelp

How many other products on your feed schedule have Derived From - Kelp on the label?
THANKS!

That is what I was leaning towards, just using up the liquid stuff and discontinuing upon completion. Right now it's in the "can't hurt" category I guess.

What about the amino's part? I am using the Nectar for the Gods version because it was in my closet. Does the top-dress you recommended cover that, or is there a better product?
 

H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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Derived From - Earthworm Castings, Bat Guano, Fish Bone Meal, Crab Meal, Fish Meal, Kelp Meal, Soybean Meal, Seabird Guano, Feather Meal, Langbeinite, Kieserite, Phosphate Rock, Sulfate of Potash, Dolomite.
On this specific part, yes, that was the first thing I noticed, but I'm cool with the fact that they are used in different quantities in each formula to produce a different NPK which I assume is tailored to specific parts of the grow. On the schedule I adjusted I removed every other week for starters, then the "progression" of how they were used was apparent (more than on the original)

That's all I meant about "getting it". It made enough sense to be able to assign each specific feed to a particular stage of plant growth instead of the "by the week" schedule.
 

H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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The XB200 room has the FloD on the left, the 12/12 project on the right with the party-cup tucked in there.
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and the Horticulture Lighting Group room has the 4G front left, GDP up front, and the two CJ in the rear
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H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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The GDP and CJ are on day 50 of 12/12
CJ have a few leaves turning, probably light burn, but it's not ugly. It's taking a dark purple tint to it.
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Frosty the snowman...
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And the GDP snuck up on me.
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The top has been getting FAT. Big plump calyxes still forming up top, never did stack much, just growing sideways.
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But the next set of nugs down looks WAY different
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So the trich-watch is in effect. I have a few fem seeds left of the GDP and the Superskunk. Both are short and fat, and both are really quick flowering. When I make my first seeds, those two are on the list to cross with something.
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H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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Day 25 of 12/12 for the FloD and 4G
The 4th Gear 8-top and the FloD 8-top are very similar under the different lights.
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The FloD 4-top and 8-top flipped the same day. Big difference in pistils
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And there's no sign of death and destruction on the broken limb. Just sagging because I can't tweak on it.
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H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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@J. James here is the color change I was talking about on the Crown Jewel. Should be a beauty :)
One top shows light-burn.
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But the rest look cool.
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H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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Kind of interesting. Day 46 for the plants that were on a flower light cycle from seed.
The circled one is the party-cup. Part of the other two to each side.
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If I had vegged these plants then flipped on day 30, they would probably be at about the same stage of flower development. The plants themselves would probably be larger and more advanced node-wise, but that's a 2-week-after-flip flower.

I have no idea what the $$ savings between a month at 18/6 then flipping, and having the entire grow at 12/12 would be, but it might matter for some. Electricity is not a concern in my area (price, or availability).

The two plants that have been up-potted to 3-gal are still miniature, but might produce 4 respectable buds each.

So 12/12 from start didn't really save time. It saved electricity. It makes smaller plants, which is a handy thing to confirm.

I would like to try starting them at 18/6 then flipping a few weeks in, regardless of whether they have been topped yet. I wonder if they would still show this stage of flower development but on a more respectable size plant at 45 days.
 

H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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@J. James - you may have told me before, but what was the genetics of the Florida Diesel?
This is looking fantastic!
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The 4th Gear
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And the Crown Jewel looks to be a long flower. The center-top of each flower is getting done but it they are growing sideways :)
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H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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It's hard to see, but the FloD has 3-prong nodes more often than not. Meaning that instead of having two leaf/sprout combos at a node there are three. Not on all the limbs, and not at all the nodes, but more than just a random occurrence. Probably at least 50% of them.
 

H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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Flo Diesel
Big Bud #4 X East Coast Sour Diesel
The limbs of the 4-top are looking eerily similar to how the RM started out. If just topping and leaving 4 limbs doesn't produce similar results, I'm going back to the manifold :)

Obviously to be tested next grow LOL
 

H.a.F.

Happy Wanderer
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Repotted the BB and BW into 5 gallons, and had to redneck a stand in the Horticulture Lighting Group room for the party cup. So this is the OSHA approved load-limit for the room four 5 gallon pots, preferably with the plant not exceeding the pot diameter...
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The only change in here is the addition of the PC plant, center rear
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But I got a good pic of the CJ. The right and left twix are maturing differently. Left one has pinecones and the right ones are puffy.
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